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b. In or near the position of: always at my side; at the center of the page. ::: ON - On the corner - standing right there with the feet ... WelcomeGuestForumSearch|ActiveTopics|Members中文简体DanskNederlandsEnglishSuomiFrançaisDeutschNorskPolskiRomânăРусскийEspañolSvenskaTürkçe TheFreeDictionaryLanguageForums » English » EnglishGrammar » in/at/oncornerofWestandSouthavenue in/at/oncornerofWestandSouthavenue Options PreviousTopic · NextTopic explaintome Posted: Friday,April6,20122:09:15PM Rank:Newbie Joined:6/14/2011Posts:30Neurons:94 Hiwhatiscorrectwaytosay:OperaislocatedincornerofWestandSouthAvenuethankyou Backtotop   jacobusmaximus Posted: Friday,April6,20122:45:04PM Rank:AdvancedMember Joined:4/17/2009Posts:13,929Neurons:711,444Location:Glasgow,Scotland,UnitedKingdom AssumingyouarereferringtotheOperaHouseandthat'West'meansWestAvenue,youwouldsaythattheOperaHouseislocatedatthecornerofWestandSouthAvenues. Backtotop   explaintome Posted: Friday,April6,20123:12:38PM Rank:Newbie Joined:6/14/2011Posts:30Neurons:94 thankyou Backtotop   coag Posted: Friday,April6,20124:43:52PM Rank:AdvancedMember Joined:3/27/2010Posts:1,755Neurons:9,538 Takeiteasy,TheEagles...Well,I'mastandingonacornerinWinslowArizonaIt'ssuchafinesighttoseeIt'sagirl,myLord,inaflatbedFordslowin'downtotakealookatme...IstherearulewhenitisatandwhenonorisitthedifferencebetweenAEandBE? Backtotop   coag Posted: Friday,April6,20125:12:12PM Rank:AdvancedMember Joined:3/27/2010Posts:1,755Neurons:9,538 Justcheckedthefollowingwebsite.Theyusebothforms.NewYorkTransitMuseumhttp://www.mta.info/mta/museum/LocatedatthecornerofBoerumPlaceandSchermerhornStreet,BrooklynHeightsTheNewYorkTransitMuseum'swheelchairaccessibleentranceislocatedonthecornerofSchermerhornandCourtStreets,inBrooklynHeights. Backtotop   JyrkkäJätkä Posted: Friday,April6,20125:25:29PM Rank:AdvancedMember Joined:9/21/2009Posts:46,629Neurons:661,488Location:Helsinki,SouthernFinlandProvince,Finland Grammaticallyyoucansayinoratbutusuallyfolksmeetonthecorner. Backtotop   RuthP Posted: Friday,April6,20125:27:02PM Rank:AdvancedMember Joined:6/2/2009Posts:5,408Neurons:87,618Location:Drain,Oregon,UnitedStates CrownAgwrote:Takeiteasy,TheEagles...Well,I'mastandingonacornerinWinslowArizonaIt'ssuchafinesighttoseeIt'sagirl,myLord,inaflatbedFordslowin'downtotakealookatme...IstherearulewhenitisatandwhenonorisitthedifferencebetweenAEandBE?TheremaybesomedifferencesbetweenAEandBE.InAE,itismorecommontosayexactlywhatJacobussuggested:"TheOperaHouseislocatedatthecornerofWestandSouthAvenues."Itis,however,notwrongandwouldnotsoundparticularlyunusualtosay"TheOperaHouseislocatedonthecorner(of)(at)WestandSouthAvenues."Ifyouusetheindefinitearticlea,asisthecaseintheEagles'song,thenonisusuallyused.But,itwouldnotbewrongtouseat.Iftheimportantpartisthespecificlocationofthecornersetinthebroaderarea,e.g.ofacity,andspecifyingwhereinthearea/citythatlocationis,thenatwouldusuallybeused.Itisratherlikegivinganaddress:thetheaterisat326NorthBroadway.Ifitisthefactthatoneisatacorner,ataconfluenceofstreetswhichismostimportant,thenonwillprobablybeused.Icannot,however,thinkofanexamplewhereonewouldbeabsolutelycorrectandtheotherabsolutelywrong.Edit:"Inthecorner"isdifferent.Itrequiresaninsidecorner,likeinsidearoomortheinsidecornerformedbytheellofabuildingandthemainpartofthebuilding.IfIrepresentthiswithacapitalL,youmustbestandingtotheright,betweenthebottomandtheuprighttobeinthecorner. Backtotop   martyg Posted: Friday,April6,20125:40:19PM Rank:AdvancedMember Joined:9/2/2009Posts:327Neurons:2,386 StandingonthecornerwatchingallthegirlsgobyStandingonthecornerwatchingallthegirlsgobyBrotheryoudon'tknowaniceroccupationMatteroffact,neitherdoIThanstandingonthecornerwatchingallthegirlsWatchingallthegirls,watchingallthegirlsgobycourtesyofthefourtops Backtotop   coag Posted: Friday,April6,20126:44:57PM Rank:AdvancedMember Joined:3/27/2010Posts:1,755Neurons:9,538 Thanksallfortheexplanations.Thanksmartygforbringingup"StandingontheCorner".Neverheardforthesong.Ididaveryquickcheckontheinternet,couldnotfindStandingontheCorner(1956)withTheFourTops.YoumaybemeantTheFourLads.Neverheardfortheband(TheFourLads)either.ButIrememberhearing,longtimeago,thesongIstanbul(1953)anditwasfunnytofindout,bychance,thattheperformerisTheFourLads. Backtotop   martyg Posted: Friday,April6,20128:15:51PM Rank:AdvancedMember Joined:9/2/2009Posts:327Neurons:2,386 crown,mibad.itisthefourlads.aspunishmentformyfauxpasithrewinanotherverse.samesongandyoucanjustputthelyricinandgoogleit.SaturdayandI'msobrokeHaven'tgotagirlandnojokeStillI'mlivinglikeamillionaireWhenItakemedowntoMainstreetWhenItakemedowntoMainstreetAndIreviewtheharemParadingformethere Backtotop   jacobusmaximus Posted: Saturday,April7,20122:09:01AM Rank:AdvancedMember Joined:4/17/2009Posts:13,929Neurons:711,444Location:Glasgow,Scotland,UnitedKingdom martygwrote:StandingonthecornerwatchingallthegirlsgobyStandingonthecornerwatchingallthegirlsgobyBrotheryoudon'tknowaniceroccupationMatteroffact,neitherdoIThanstandingonthecornerwatchingallthegirlsWatchingallthegirls,watchingallthegirlsgobycourtesyofthefourtopsQuiteso,butyou'vegottobeatthecornertobestandingonit. Backtotop   JyrkkäJätkä Posted: Saturday,April7,20123:51:40AM Rank:AdvancedMember Joined:9/21/2009Posts:46,629Neurons:661,488Location:Helsinki,SouthernFinlandProvince,Finland Anothergreatsongontopic:Lindisfarne-MeetMeOnTheCorner Backtotop   coag Posted: Saturday,April7,20124:44:34AM Rank:AdvancedMember Joined:3/27/2010Posts:1,755Neurons:9,538 MeetMeAtTheCorner,RedHotChiliPeppers Backtotop   SilvatungdaViel Posted: Saturday,April7,20124:46:00AM Rank:AdvancedMember Joined:9/7/2011Posts:298Neurons:733Location:UnitedStates,VA WillyandthePoorBoyshttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LMks9vrPWPg Backtotop   rogermue Posted: Saturday,April7,20125:19:50AM Rank:AdvancedMember Joined:1/28/2012Posts:5,045Neurons:34,900Location:München,Bavaria,Germany Iguesstheexampleswith'corner'areAmericanuse.Myviewis:-'atthecorner'isthenormalprepositionmeaning'atapoint'.-'onthecorner'is,thatismyimpression,influencedbyGerman'anderEcke'.TherearealotofAmericanswithGermanrootsandtheybringintheiruseofprepositions.-'inthecorner'isabitunusualformyfeeling.Butthatdoesn'tsaymuch.Ifonewouldliketostudythisproblemmorecloselyonehadtofindoutthepercentages.Iwouldguesstheresultwouldbe50%at40%on10%inInBritishEnglishthingsareprobablyabitdifferent. Backtotop   Hope1 Posted: Saturday,April7,201211:05:00AM Rank:AdvancedMember Joined:8/31/2011Posts:1,162Neurons:3,352 Rogermue,IamnotsureIunderstandwhatyouaresaying.Butifyouaresayingitisadifferenceoflocation(country)orthatwechooseitaccordingtopercentageswhenwefeellikeit,Iwoulddisagree.Maybethatisnotwhatyoumeant.?Ofcourse,IcanonlyspeakforCE.(AndprobablyAE.)FromTFD-thesewordsallhaveseveralmeaningsofcourse.Inreferencetothecorner,Ipickedthemostapplicableones.AT-atthecorner-nearthecornerorMAYBEevenrightthere.Asmentioned,anaddress.1.a.Inorneartheareaoccupiedby;inornearthelocationof:atthemarket;atourdestination.b.Inornearthepositionof:alwaysatmyside;atthecenterofthepage.:::ON-Onthecorner-standingrighttherewiththefeettouchingthesidewalkofthespotwherethestreetsmeet.Rightbesidethesignpost.Usedtoindicatepositionaboveandsupportedbyorincontactwith:Thevaseisonthetable.Werestedonourhandsandknees.::::IN-inthecorner-theboxissittingintheangleproducedbythewallsmeeting.Hangingontothecorneroftheswimmingpoolisinthecornerofthepool.(AsmentionedbyRuthP.)Notreallyapplicabletosomeonestandingonastreet.(Ofcourse,ifheisINtheSTREET,hewillgethitbyacar.)a.Withinthelimits,bounds,orareaof:washitintheface;borninthespring;achairinthegarden. Backtotop   rogermue Posted: Saturday,April7,201212:26:40PM Rank:AdvancedMember Joined:1/28/2012Posts:5,045Neurons:34,900Location:München,Bavaria,Germany Hope1,I'msureourmisunderstandingisduetomyperhapsunclearformulation.Iwastalkingonlyabouttheproblemwhichprepositiontochosewhensomeonewantstotellanotherperson-thecarisparkedprepcornerofXstreetandYstreet/-thepostbox/mailbox(AmE)is.../-thecafeis...Theprepositionssuggestedintheopeningpostwere'in/at/on'.Iansweredasanoutsider(andIdon'twanttointerfereinanywayinthewayofspeakingofnativespeakers)accordingtomyfeelingofprepositionsandmeantIwouldchose:-atthecorner.Becausethebasicmeaningof'at'is'describingaplacewheresomethingiswiththeideaofpoint)IfperhapsinAmE'on'isusedthenIguessedthismightbeGermaninfluence,asinGermanthenormalthingis:anderEckeandotherprepositionsarenotused.And-'ThepostboxisinthecornerofXStreetandYStreet'wouldbeaccordingtomyfeelingofprepositionsabitunusual.ThenImeantifalinguisticstudywouldbemadeinthestreetandlinguistwouldaskpeople-Excuseme,couldyoutellmewherethenearestpostboxis?'andhewouldwritedowntheanswersthenIguessedthepercentagewouldbeinUSAat50%,onperhaps40%,andperhapsin1o%.AndIthoughtthatinGreatBritain,Londonthepercentagemightbeabitdifferent.Iwon'tutteranyassumptionsaboutspeakerswhowoulduse'in'.Yourcommentsarewelcome,ofcourse.I'mnotanativespeaker.Andmyfeelingmaybenotspot-on. Backtotop   leonAzul Posted: Saturday,April7,20122:53:47PM Rank:AdvancedMember Joined:8/11/2011Posts:8,589Neurons:31,236Location:Miami,Florida,UnitedStates rogermuewrote:-'ThepostboxisinthecornerofXStreetandYStreet'wouldbeaccordingtomyfeelingofprepositionsabitunusual.Andyouwouldbecorrectinthatfeeling.WhatHope1wasgettingatwasthatthecollocation"inthecorner"referstotheinteriorofaspace,whereas"onthecorner"or"atthecorner"refertoaquadrantofanintersection. Backtotop   Hope1 Posted: Saturday,April7,20125:47:24PM Rank:AdvancedMember Joined:8/31/2011Posts:1,162Neurons:3,352 Damn,LA.Butyou'regood! Backtotop   Drag0nspeaker Posted: Saturday,April7,20126:23:49PM Rank:AdvancedMember Joined:9/12/2011Posts:35,642Neurons:249,123Location:Livingston,Scotland,UnitedKingdom Well,toaddmyBritishviewpointtojacobusmaximus-Iunderstand'onthecorner'anddonothesitateorconsideritsoundsstrange,ifIhearit,butItendtouse'at'.GeorgeFormby'Inthecorner'isdefinitelyinaroom. Backtotop   Hope1 Posted: Saturday,April7,20126:26:51PM Rank:AdvancedMember Joined:8/31/2011Posts:1,162Neurons:3,352 Youaregoodtoo,Dragon!Lovethepic.Poorbaby-weallknowthefeeling! Backtotop   rogermue Posted: Sunday,April8,20121:03:30AM Rank:AdvancedMember Joined:1/28/2012Posts:5,045Neurons:34,900Location:München,Bavaria,Germany Wonderfulpicture!Shouldn'twecreateapicturethreadwithpicturesillustratingtheuseofprepositions?ButIthinkitwouldn'twork.Inthefieldofprepositionstherearehundredsofnuancesthatcan'tbeillustratedwithpictures. Backtotop   rogermue Posted: Sunday,April8,20121:13:23AM Rank:AdvancedMember Joined:1/28/2012Posts:5,045Neurons:34,900Location:München,Bavaria,Germany atthecornerxonthecornerNowIhavebecomeinterested.AsIgetfromDragon'spost'atthecornerofthestreets'isthenormalthing,atleastinBrE.But'onthecornerofthestreets'wouldbeunderstoodandaccepted.InmypreviouspostsIguessedthat'on'isAmE.(InBritainitis'inthestreet',inUSA'onthestreet'.)Myquestionis:AmIrightinmyassumptionthat'onthecornerofthestreets'ismoreusedinAmE?EditIjusthadthegloriousideatoaskoneofmyWebsterdictionaries.Andmyassumptionseemsright.Webstersays:-atoronacornerThenIfindsomethingbaffling:tomeetatorabut(on)acorner.Remark:This'abut'mustbeanAmericanspecialty(neverheardofit).Seemstobeasloppy'about'.PSReadingthewholethreadagain,IseetheRuthP(USA)hasansweredmyquestionalreadyinthebeginningofthethread.So'onthecornerofthestreets'ismoreusedinAmE.-Shouldreadthethreadsmorecarefully! Backtotop   jacobusmaximus Posted: Sunday,April8,20125:39:42AM Rank:AdvancedMember Joined:4/17/2009Posts:13,929Neurons:711,444Location:Glasgow,Scotland,UnitedKingdom abut-"Totouchorendatoneendorside;lieadjacent."-TFD.AcornercouldbeformedbythegableofanewbuildinginSouthStreetbeingbuiltagainstthefaceofanexistingbuildinginWestStreet.Thatwouldbeanabutment.Itwouldformaninteriorcorner,soaPostBoxcouldbeplacedinthecornerofSouthandWestStreets.Butitwouldalsobeatthecorner.Confused?Iam. Backtotop   rogermue Posted: Sunday,April8,20126:20:52AM Rank:AdvancedMember Joined:1/28/2012Posts:5,045Neurons:34,900Location:München,Bavaria,Germany ToJBMDoyoureallythinkthiscurious'abut'inWebsteristheverbtoabut(French:abouterfromlebout,theend).Iratherthinkitisapreposition(aboutinsomeAmericanpronunciation)orevenatypofor'about'. Backtotop   Drag0nspeaker Posted: Sunday,April8,20126:30:31AM Rank:AdvancedMember Joined:9/12/2011Posts:35,642Neurons:249,123Location:Livingston,Scotland,UnitedKingdom MyGod-MerriamWebsterreallydoesdigintorareandantiqueforms.Ican'tfinditinanyofmydictionaries,butfrommemory,'abut'wouldbeaWestCountrypronunciationof'about'(meaningaroundornear)-mostofthePilgrimFatherswentfromPlymouthtoAmerica,sothedialectwenttoo.(Lancashire,YorkshireandScotlanduse'aboot'or'aboon'or'aroon'forthis).Possiblytheverb'abut'influencedittoo-asin'abutting'-adjacentto. Backtotop   rogermue Posted: Sunday,April8,20127:24:17AM Rank:AdvancedMember Joined:1/28/2012Posts:5,045Neurons:34,900Location:München,Bavaria,Germany Dragon,you'reexcellent!PSIfoundthis'abut'intheentryof'corner'inWebster'sNewWorldDictionaryofAmericanEnglish,ThirdCollegeEdition,C1988 Backtotop   jacobusmaximus Posted: Sunday,April8,20127:46:35AM Rank:AdvancedMember Joined:4/17/2009Posts:13,929Neurons:711,444Location:Glasgow,Scotland,UnitedKingdom Drag0nspeakerwrote:MyGod-MerriamWebsterreallydoesdigintorareandantiqueforms.Ican'tfinditinanyofmydictionaries,butfrommemory,'abut'wouldbeaWestCountrypronunciationof'about'(meaningaroundornear)-mostofthePilgrimFatherswentfromPlymouthtoAmerica,sothedialectwenttoo.(Lancashire,YorkshireandScotlanduse'aboot'or'aboon'or'aroon'forthis).Possiblytheverb'abut'influencedittoo-asin'abutting'-adjacentto.Butthepronunciationis'abutt',soitshouldnotbeconfusedwith'aboot',orthelike.Infactibelieve'abut'comesfrom'butt'-tojoin-e.g.abuttjointincarpentry. Backtotop   Drag0nspeaker Posted: Sunday,April8,20128:28:06AM Rank:AdvancedMember Joined:9/12/2011Posts:35,642Neurons:249,123Location:Livingston,Scotland,UnitedKingdom Yes-thenorthernmis-pronunciationisverydifferent,butIthinkDevon/Cornwallhave"Oibe'aarvestin'abutthifields"-with'about'pronouncedalmostliketheverb'abut'-thoughit'sjustthepronunciationI'mlookingat,notanewword.It'sjustatheory-the"abut=adjacentto"ideaisjustaspossible.Maybea1988Webster'sNewWorldwillgiveanexplanation(thecurrentoneon-lineWebster'sisthe1913versionandonlygivestheverb'toabut').IGOTIT!Ignoretheabove.Ilookedup'corner'.tocorner-tomeetatacorner,ortoabutonacorner,ortoabutacorner="tomeetatorabut(on)acorner"Not-"tomeetatacorner,ortomeetabutacorner,ortomeetonacorner.""toabut"and"toabuton"arebeinggivenassynonymsfor"tocorner".Thenewbuildingcornerstheoldcathedral.I.e.thenewbuildingabutsthecathedralatthecorner. Backtotop   rogermue Posted: Sunday,April8,20128:54:39AM Rank:AdvancedMember Joined:1/28/2012Posts:5,045Neurons:34,900Location:München,Bavaria,Germany Youareright,Dragon,ImisunderstoodWebster.In'corner'asanvi(verbintransitive)heexplains:(tocornermeans)tomeetatorabut(on)acorner.Saidofland,buildings,etc.SoJBMwhofirsthadtheideathat'abut'isaverbandofcourseyou-bothofyouareright.Shouldreaddictionariesmorecarefully!AndWebster's'on'inbracketsafter'toabut'meansthisverbcanbeusedwith'on'orwithout.Wow,Englishhasitsfinesse. Backtotop   Drag0nspeaker Posted: Sunday,April8,20129:03:11AM Rank:AdvancedMember Joined:9/12/2011Posts:35,642Neurons:249,123Location:Livingston,Scotland,UnitedKingdom ThisisoneoftheoccasionswhenIwould(evenifitdoesnotquitefollowtherulesofcommas)write:"tomeetat,orabut(on)acorner."oreven"tomeetat,ortoabut(on)acorner." Backtotop   rogermue Posted: Sunday,April8,20129:06:37AM Rank:AdvancedMember Joined:1/28/2012Posts:5,045Neurons:34,900Location:München,Bavaria,Germany ToCrownAqI'mjustreadingyourlinktothewebsiteoftheNewYorkTransiteMuseum,where'atthecorner'and'onthecorner'isusedasyouquoted.Excellentfind! Backtotop   rogermue Posted: Sunday,April8,20129:12:00AM Rank:AdvancedMember Joined:1/28/2012Posts:5,045Neurons:34,900Location:München,Bavaria,Germany toDragonRightyouare!"tomeetat,ortoabut(on)acorner."Thatwouldbemuchclearerforforeignerswithlittleexperienceoftheverbtoabut. 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