b. In or near the position of: always at my side; at the center of the page. ::: ON - On the corner - standing right there with the feet ...
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explaintome
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Friday,April6,20122:09:15PM
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Hiwhatiscorrectwaytosay:OperaislocatedincornerofWestandSouthAvenuethankyou
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jacobusmaximus
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AssumingyouarereferringtotheOperaHouseandthat'West'meansWestAvenue,youwouldsaythattheOperaHouseislocatedatthecornerofWestandSouthAvenues.
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explaintome
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thankyou
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coag
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Takeiteasy,TheEagles...Well,I'mastandingonacornerinWinslowArizonaIt'ssuchafinesighttoseeIt'sagirl,myLord,inaflatbedFordslowin'downtotakealookatme...IstherearulewhenitisatandwhenonorisitthedifferencebetweenAEandBE?
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coag
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Justcheckedthefollowingwebsite.Theyusebothforms.NewYorkTransitMuseumhttp://www.mta.info/mta/museum/LocatedatthecornerofBoerumPlaceandSchermerhornStreet,BrooklynHeightsTheNewYorkTransitMuseum'swheelchairaccessibleentranceislocatedonthecornerofSchermerhornandCourtStreets,inBrooklynHeights.
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JyrkkäJätkä
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Grammaticallyyoucansayinoratbutusuallyfolksmeetonthecorner.
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RuthP
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CrownAgwrote:Takeiteasy,TheEagles...Well,I'mastandingonacornerinWinslowArizonaIt'ssuchafinesighttoseeIt'sagirl,myLord,inaflatbedFordslowin'downtotakealookatme...IstherearulewhenitisatandwhenonorisitthedifferencebetweenAEandBE?TheremaybesomedifferencesbetweenAEandBE.InAE,itismorecommontosayexactlywhatJacobussuggested:"TheOperaHouseislocatedatthecornerofWestandSouthAvenues."Itis,however,notwrongandwouldnotsoundparticularlyunusualtosay"TheOperaHouseislocatedonthecorner(of)(at)WestandSouthAvenues."Ifyouusetheindefinitearticlea,asisthecaseintheEagles'song,thenonisusuallyused.But,itwouldnotbewrongtouseat.Iftheimportantpartisthespecificlocationofthecornersetinthebroaderarea,e.g.ofacity,andspecifyingwhereinthearea/citythatlocationis,thenatwouldusuallybeused.Itisratherlikegivinganaddress:thetheaterisat326NorthBroadway.Ifitisthefactthatoneisatacorner,ataconfluenceofstreetswhichismostimportant,thenonwillprobablybeused.Icannot,however,thinkofanexamplewhereonewouldbeabsolutelycorrectandtheotherabsolutelywrong.Edit:"Inthecorner"isdifferent.Itrequiresaninsidecorner,likeinsidearoomortheinsidecornerformedbytheellofabuildingandthemainpartofthebuilding.IfIrepresentthiswithacapitalL,youmustbestandingtotheright,betweenthebottomandtheuprighttobeinthecorner.
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martyg
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Friday,April6,20125:40:19PM
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StandingonthecornerwatchingallthegirlsgobyStandingonthecornerwatchingallthegirlsgobyBrotheryoudon'tknowaniceroccupationMatteroffact,neitherdoIThanstandingonthecornerwatchingallthegirlsWatchingallthegirls,watchingallthegirlsgobycourtesyofthefourtops
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coag
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Friday,April6,20126:44:57PM
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Thanksallfortheexplanations.Thanksmartygforbringingup"StandingontheCorner".Neverheardforthesong.Ididaveryquickcheckontheinternet,couldnotfindStandingontheCorner(1956)withTheFourTops.YoumaybemeantTheFourLads.Neverheardfortheband(TheFourLads)either.ButIrememberhearing,longtimeago,thesongIstanbul(1953)anditwasfunnytofindout,bychance,thattheperformerisTheFourLads.
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martyg
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Friday,April6,20128:15:51PM
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crown,mibad.itisthefourlads.aspunishmentformyfauxpasithrewinanotherverse.samesongandyoucanjustputthelyricinandgoogleit.SaturdayandI'msobrokeHaven'tgotagirlandnojokeStillI'mlivinglikeamillionaireWhenItakemedowntoMainstreetWhenItakemedowntoMainstreetAndIreviewtheharemParadingformethere
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jacobusmaximus
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martygwrote:StandingonthecornerwatchingallthegirlsgobyStandingonthecornerwatchingallthegirlsgobyBrotheryoudon'tknowaniceroccupationMatteroffact,neitherdoIThanstandingonthecornerwatchingallthegirlsWatchingallthegirls,watchingallthegirlsgobycourtesyofthefourtopsQuiteso,butyou'vegottobeatthecornertobestandingonit.
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JyrkkäJätkä
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Anothergreatsongontopic:Lindisfarne-MeetMeOnTheCorner
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coag
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MeetMeAtTheCorner,RedHotChiliPeppers
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SilvatungdaViel
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WillyandthePoorBoyshttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LMks9vrPWPg
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rogermue
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Saturday,April7,20125:19:50AM
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Iguesstheexampleswith'corner'areAmericanuse.Myviewis:-'atthecorner'isthenormalprepositionmeaning'atapoint'.-'onthecorner'is,thatismyimpression,influencedbyGerman'anderEcke'.TherearealotofAmericanswithGermanrootsandtheybringintheiruseofprepositions.-'inthecorner'isabitunusualformyfeeling.Butthatdoesn'tsaymuch.Ifonewouldliketostudythisproblemmorecloselyonehadtofindoutthepercentages.Iwouldguesstheresultwouldbe50%at40%on10%inInBritishEnglishthingsareprobablyabitdifferent.
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Hope1
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Saturday,April7,201211:05:00AM
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Rogermue,IamnotsureIunderstandwhatyouaresaying.Butifyouaresayingitisadifferenceoflocation(country)orthatwechooseitaccordingtopercentageswhenwefeellikeit,Iwoulddisagree.Maybethatisnotwhatyoumeant.?Ofcourse,IcanonlyspeakforCE.(AndprobablyAE.)FromTFD-thesewordsallhaveseveralmeaningsofcourse.Inreferencetothecorner,Ipickedthemostapplicableones.AT-atthecorner-nearthecornerorMAYBEevenrightthere.Asmentioned,anaddress.1.a.Inorneartheareaoccupiedby;inornearthelocationof:atthemarket;atourdestination.b.Inornearthepositionof:alwaysatmyside;atthecenterofthepage.:::ON-Onthecorner-standingrighttherewiththefeettouchingthesidewalkofthespotwherethestreetsmeet.Rightbesidethesignpost.Usedtoindicatepositionaboveandsupportedbyorincontactwith:Thevaseisonthetable.Werestedonourhandsandknees.::::IN-inthecorner-theboxissittingintheangleproducedbythewallsmeeting.Hangingontothecorneroftheswimmingpoolisinthecornerofthepool.(AsmentionedbyRuthP.)Notreallyapplicabletosomeonestandingonastreet.(Ofcourse,ifheisINtheSTREET,hewillgethitbyacar.)a.Withinthelimits,bounds,orareaof:washitintheface;borninthespring;achairinthegarden.
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rogermue
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Saturday,April7,201212:26:40PM
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Hope1,I'msureourmisunderstandingisduetomyperhapsunclearformulation.Iwastalkingonlyabouttheproblemwhichprepositiontochosewhensomeonewantstotellanotherperson-thecarisparkedprepcornerofXstreetandYstreet/-thepostbox/mailbox(AmE)is.../-thecafeis...Theprepositionssuggestedintheopeningpostwere'in/at/on'.Iansweredasanoutsider(andIdon'twanttointerfereinanywayinthewayofspeakingofnativespeakers)accordingtomyfeelingofprepositionsandmeantIwouldchose:-atthecorner.Becausethebasicmeaningof'at'is'describingaplacewheresomethingiswiththeideaofpoint)IfperhapsinAmE'on'isusedthenIguessedthismightbeGermaninfluence,asinGermanthenormalthingis:anderEckeandotherprepositionsarenotused.And-'ThepostboxisinthecornerofXStreetandYStreet'wouldbeaccordingtomyfeelingofprepositionsabitunusual.ThenImeantifalinguisticstudywouldbemadeinthestreetandlinguistwouldaskpeople-Excuseme,couldyoutellmewherethenearestpostboxis?'andhewouldwritedowntheanswersthenIguessedthepercentagewouldbeinUSAat50%,onperhaps40%,andperhapsin1o%.AndIthoughtthatinGreatBritain,Londonthepercentagemightbeabitdifferent.Iwon'tutteranyassumptionsaboutspeakerswhowoulduse'in'.Yourcommentsarewelcome,ofcourse.I'mnotanativespeaker.Andmyfeelingmaybenotspot-on.
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leonAzul
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Saturday,April7,20122:53:47PM
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rogermuewrote:-'ThepostboxisinthecornerofXStreetandYStreet'wouldbeaccordingtomyfeelingofprepositionsabitunusual.Andyouwouldbecorrectinthatfeeling.WhatHope1wasgettingatwasthatthecollocation"inthecorner"referstotheinteriorofaspace,whereas"onthecorner"or"atthecorner"refertoaquadrantofanintersection.
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Hope1
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Damn,LA.Butyou'regood!
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Drag0nspeaker
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Well,toaddmyBritishviewpointtojacobusmaximus-Iunderstand'onthecorner'anddonothesitateorconsideritsoundsstrange,ifIhearit,butItendtouse'at'.GeorgeFormby'Inthecorner'isdefinitelyinaroom.
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Hope1
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Youaregoodtoo,Dragon!Lovethepic.Poorbaby-weallknowthefeeling!
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rogermue
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Wonderfulpicture!Shouldn'twecreateapicturethreadwithpicturesillustratingtheuseofprepositions?ButIthinkitwouldn'twork.Inthefieldofprepositionstherearehundredsofnuancesthatcan'tbeillustratedwithpictures.
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rogermue
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atthecornerxonthecornerNowIhavebecomeinterested.AsIgetfromDragon'spost'atthecornerofthestreets'isthenormalthing,atleastinBrE.But'onthecornerofthestreets'wouldbeunderstoodandaccepted.InmypreviouspostsIguessedthat'on'isAmE.(InBritainitis'inthestreet',inUSA'onthestreet'.)Myquestionis:AmIrightinmyassumptionthat'onthecornerofthestreets'ismoreusedinAmE?EditIjusthadthegloriousideatoaskoneofmyWebsterdictionaries.Andmyassumptionseemsright.Webstersays:-atoronacornerThenIfindsomethingbaffling:tomeetatorabut(on)acorner.Remark:This'abut'mustbeanAmericanspecialty(neverheardofit).Seemstobeasloppy'about'.PSReadingthewholethreadagain,IseetheRuthP(USA)hasansweredmyquestionalreadyinthebeginningofthethread.So'onthecornerofthestreets'ismoreusedinAmE.-Shouldreadthethreadsmorecarefully!
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jacobusmaximus
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abut-"Totouchorendatoneendorside;lieadjacent."-TFD.AcornercouldbeformedbythegableofanewbuildinginSouthStreetbeingbuiltagainstthefaceofanexistingbuildinginWestStreet.Thatwouldbeanabutment.Itwouldformaninteriorcorner,soaPostBoxcouldbeplacedinthecornerofSouthandWestStreets.Butitwouldalsobeatthecorner.Confused?Iam.
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rogermue
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ToJBMDoyoureallythinkthiscurious'abut'inWebsteristheverbtoabut(French:abouterfromlebout,theend).Iratherthinkitisapreposition(aboutinsomeAmericanpronunciation)orevenatypofor'about'.
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Drag0nspeaker
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MyGod-MerriamWebsterreallydoesdigintorareandantiqueforms.Ican'tfinditinanyofmydictionaries,butfrommemory,'abut'wouldbeaWestCountrypronunciationof'about'(meaningaroundornear)-mostofthePilgrimFatherswentfromPlymouthtoAmerica,sothedialectwenttoo.(Lancashire,YorkshireandScotlanduse'aboot'or'aboon'or'aroon'forthis).Possiblytheverb'abut'influencedittoo-asin'abutting'-adjacentto.
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rogermue
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Sunday,April8,20127:24:17AM
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Dragon,you'reexcellent!PSIfoundthis'abut'intheentryof'corner'inWebster'sNewWorldDictionaryofAmericanEnglish,ThirdCollegeEdition,C1988
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jacobusmaximus
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Drag0nspeakerwrote:MyGod-MerriamWebsterreallydoesdigintorareandantiqueforms.Ican'tfinditinanyofmydictionaries,butfrommemory,'abut'wouldbeaWestCountrypronunciationof'about'(meaningaroundornear)-mostofthePilgrimFatherswentfromPlymouthtoAmerica,sothedialectwenttoo.(Lancashire,YorkshireandScotlanduse'aboot'or'aboon'or'aroon'forthis).Possiblytheverb'abut'influencedittoo-asin'abutting'-adjacentto.Butthepronunciationis'abutt',soitshouldnotbeconfusedwith'aboot',orthelike.Infactibelieve'abut'comesfrom'butt'-tojoin-e.g.abuttjointincarpentry.
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Drag0nspeaker
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Yes-thenorthernmis-pronunciationisverydifferent,butIthinkDevon/Cornwallhave"Oibe'aarvestin'abutthifields"-with'about'pronouncedalmostliketheverb'abut'-thoughit'sjustthepronunciationI'mlookingat,notanewword.It'sjustatheory-the"abut=adjacentto"ideaisjustaspossible.Maybea1988Webster'sNewWorldwillgiveanexplanation(thecurrentoneon-lineWebster'sisthe1913versionandonlygivestheverb'toabut').IGOTIT!Ignoretheabove.Ilookedup'corner'.tocorner-tomeetatacorner,ortoabutonacorner,ortoabutacorner="tomeetatorabut(on)acorner"Not-"tomeetatacorner,ortomeetabutacorner,ortomeetonacorner.""toabut"and"toabuton"arebeinggivenassynonymsfor"tocorner".Thenewbuildingcornerstheoldcathedral.I.e.thenewbuildingabutsthecathedralatthecorner.
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rogermue
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Youareright,Dragon,ImisunderstoodWebster.In'corner'asanvi(verbintransitive)heexplains:(tocornermeans)tomeetatorabut(on)acorner.Saidofland,buildings,etc.SoJBMwhofirsthadtheideathat'abut'isaverbandofcourseyou-bothofyouareright.Shouldreaddictionariesmorecarefully!AndWebster's'on'inbracketsafter'toabut'meansthisverbcanbeusedwith'on'orwithout.Wow,Englishhasitsfinesse.
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Drag0nspeaker
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ThisisoneoftheoccasionswhenIwould(evenifitdoesnotquitefollowtherulesofcommas)write:"tomeetat,orabut(on)acorner."oreven"tomeetat,ortoabut(on)acorner."
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rogermue
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ToCrownAqI'mjustreadingyourlinktothewebsiteoftheNewYorkTransiteMuseum,where'atthecorner'and'onthecorner'isusedasyouquoted.Excellentfind!
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rogermue
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toDragonRightyouare!"tomeetat,ortoabut(on)acorner."Thatwouldbemuchclearerforforeignerswithlittleexperienceoftheverbtoabut.
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